Was Bill Palmer kidnaped by CIA?

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Subject: Free Bill Palmer from CIA terrorists! [was: Censurship of Info on USA holocausts
From: marxondrugs@cloud9.edu (Dr. Houston Murphy)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 02:51:27 GMT


In article <692kk1$5s3$1@news2.acs.oakland.edu>
jamurphy@vela.acs.oakland.edu (  ) wrote

and posted to these newsgroups

alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.org.cia,talk.philosophy.humanism,
alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.usa.republican,talk.philosophy.misc,
alt.politics.reform,alt.politics.org.fbi,alt.politics.org.nsa,soc.culture..usa,
soc.culture.russian,soc.culture.soviet,alt.politics.org.un,
alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.theory,soc..history:

>	I continue to get positive and constructive comments on my posting of
>the facts about USA holocausts, but I am even learning a little bit from
>the personal attacks and threats (some violent) against me.

While I deeply respect my namesake Dr. Austin Murphy (no relation) and
his well-justified fears of Right-wing repression, nevertheless, the
Usenet community's attention is even more urgently required to secure
the immediate liberty of FLAME GIANT BILL PALMER!  (More information
follows the end of this statement by Dr. Austin Murphy)

>Although Herman
>and Chomsky (2 professors) documented in a book how and why the mainstream
>media is so biased with respect to the reporting of USA crimes (the mainstream
>media is owned and controlled by rich folks and corporations who are pro-USA
>and pro-capitalist, etc. and are also dependent on the advertizing of
>pro-USA and pro-capitalist corporations-- in addition, they have numerous
>incentives to slant their views to please the CIA), I think they left out 
>another reason. If the mainstream press ever reported anything on USA
>holocausts, they would likely get some of the same personal attacks and
>threats that I get. If they continued, the threats might even be carried
>out, so what reporter would want to risk his job or life for the sake of
>the truth, since he would be eliminated anyway? They do similar things in
>the CIA puppet dictatorships in Latin America where paramilitary groups
>do a lot of the killings of folks who aren't "patriotic" enough.  At any
>rate, I continue to post the factual statement after my signature, with
>new additions from the most recent constructive remarks.
>Sincerely,
>Dr. Austin Murphy (Professor of Finance, Oakland University)
[Dr. Austin Murphy's list of USA holocausts is deleted.]

    Those inclined to scoff at Dr. Austin Murphy's fears should
consider the disappearance of Usenet political analyst FLAME GIANT
Bill Palmer (wilhelp@ix.netcom.com).
     Three years ago, when the CIA-controlled Yeltsin government began
their slaughter of the Chechen people, Bill Palmer was the only
Netizen with the presence of mind to denounce them on newsgroup
soc.culture.russian.  Some claimed to doubt whether the Yeltsin regime
had even heard of Usenet, but Bill Palmer knew better.  Day by day, he
shredded their reputation, their excuses, (and their shills on
newsgroup soc.culture.russian) with devastingly accurate and topical
postings, instantly recognizable by their length of over 400 lines
apiece.  21 months later, Bill Palmer's heroic exertions finally bore
fruit; the hopelessly shamed and embarrassed Yeltsin regime withdrew
from Chechnya.
   In his honorable struggle, FLAME GIANT Bill Palmer
(wilhelp@ix.netcom.com) has assembled one of the largest archives in
Dejanews.  You can either check it out there, or look at a smaller
archive in
http://www.math.harvard.edu/~verbit/scs/cranks/palmer.scs
    
   Unable to face Bill Palmer's inexhaustible forensic skills,
the CIA and the capitalist Yeltsin regime have apparently decided to
make him "disappear."  He has not been seen in public for many months.
Occasional postings are made under his distinctive E-mail address
wilhelp@ix.netcom.com, but there are the gravest possible reasons to
doubt whether these come from the real Bill Palmer, or, if they do,
whether he is a free agent.  Consider  (a)  Relatively few recent
wilhelp@ix.netcom.com postings have the distinctive length of over 400
lines, (b)  few of them discuss Chechnya, despite the orchestration in
recent days of increasingly dangerous CIA-Yeltsin war propaganda, (See
appendix 2), (c) One posting, under the title "Facts in the Case of
Bill Palmer," even seemed to repudiate his earlier activism on behalf
of Chechnya, and (d) some of them are simply recycled former postings,
to deceive the unwary into overlooking his new silence.  We have even
seen brazen rumors that Mr. Palmer "kidnaped himself"!  (See appendix
2)

    Add your voice to the defense of Usenet freedom!  The Usenet
community demands that the CIA release Bill Palmer immediately!

--Dr. Houston Murphy
  Lecturer on Dietetic Materialism,
  Enver Hoxha Institute for Advanced Studies 

2 appendices follow: 
1.  The roots of the Chechen conflict
2.  Earlier report on Bill Palmer's disappearance


Appendix 1:  What are the roots of the Chechen tragedy?
  
   Some right-wing propagandists have had the effrontery to blame the
Father of Peoples Himself, Who supposedly expelled the Chechen people
in reprisal for their alleged acceptance of German Fascist invaders in
1942.  This is, from beginning to end, a ridiculous fabrication.  Like
all the fraternal peoples of the USSR, the Chechens firmly supported
Soviet power and fought to the death in defense of Stalin and the
happy Socialist life.  They were especially grateful to Comrade Stalin
for freeing them from extortions by kulaks and parasitical religious
obscurants.  So notorious was the devotion of the Chechens to Comrade
Stalin, that they were treated with special viciousness by the fascist
invaders in 1942; they pleaded to Comrade Stalin for protection.
Answering their pleas, He moved their families to safety in the
interior of the USSR, while their menfolk did their part to defeat the
fascist hordes.  (8 years later in 1952-53, this life-saving
evacuation would offer an appealing model for loyal Soviet Jews,
menaced by CIA-Zionist intrigues in the Western USSR.  After the
tragic and unexpected demise of the Great Leader and Teacher, however,
nothing came of it.)
   All went well for many years after the Great Patriotic War, until
CIA and other anti-Soviet elements, frustrated by the devotion
expressed everywhere by Chechen exiles to Comrade Stalin and the true
path of Socialism, arranged their removal from other Soviet
territories and their concentration into the northern Causasus region,
where they would be especially vulnerable to massacre by
CIA-controlled criminal cliques in Turkey, the Causasian successor
states, and the capitalist Yeltsin regime.  The rest of the history is
too well known to need repeating here ...)

Appendix 2:  Earlier Usenet report on disappearance of Bill Palmer

>In article ,
>shqiptar@hoxhanet.ab (Mehmet Shqiptar) wrote:

>>In article <6939el$ok7@news-central.tiac.net>,
>>timur@magiccarpet.samarkand.gov wrote:

>>>     "Aftr a sharp increase in kidnapings and violence in and around
>>> Chechnya, Russian and Chechen officials are speaking once again the
>>> language of war.
>>> ...
>>>      "Yesterday, Chechnya's deputy prime minister, Movladi Udugov,
>>> warned that any Russian attacks on the region would lead to a renewal
>>> of the hostilities that ended in August 1996.  He was responding to
>>> remarks made Tuesday by Russia's hawkish Interior Minister, Anatoly S.
>>> Kulikov, who suggested that Moscow should carry out military strikes
>>> against what he said were 'bandit bases' located in the region.
>>> ...
>>>     "Russia's 1998 budget includes no funding for rebuilding
>>> Chechnya's war-shattered economy, leaving many in the region wondering
>>> where the money will come from.
>>>     "One of the few lucrative 'businesses' [in Chechnya] is kidnaping.
>>> Moscow said 800 hostages are being held in Chechnya, including a
>>> number of foreigners.  Kidnapers often demand-- and receive-- huge
>>> ransoms.  A group that abducted five Polish aid workers last month
>>> reportedly demanded $3 million."
>>> --"Boston Globe," Thurs 8 Jan 98, p. A6
>>> 
>>> The last time the Russian government sent troops into Chechnya, they
>>> were driven out in terror by the 400+ line Usenet postings of "Flame
>>> Giant" Bill Palmer (wilhelp@ix.netcom.com).  Will the Chechens call on
>>> Mr. Palmer for protection once again?

>>Not "Flame Giant" Bill palmer, but FLAME GIANT BILL PALMER.


>>> Only time will tell.  Though publicly silent about Chechnya in recent
>>> days, Mr. Palmer has shown symbolic support, eg with
>>>     (1)  Attempted kidnapings by means of 400-line posts.  So far,
>>> however, such kidnapings have not been successful; the intended
>>> victims manage to walk away.
>>>     (2)  Self-kidnaping.  This has been more successful.  Mr. Palmer
>>> has not been seen in public since he first started posting about
>>> Chechnya.  Two questions remain unanswered, however:  (a)  Who is
>>> being asked for a ransom? and (b)  How much will they pay?

>>If we the Albanian exile community of Morristown, NJ, had it
>>in our possibilitty to win the freedom of the FLAME GIANT, we
>>gladly would lay down our lives.  The FLAME GIANT is the Hoxha
>>of use-net! 


Newsgroups: alt.usenet.kooks,soc.culture.russian,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.genius.bill-palmer,alt.politics.org.cia,alt.fan.karl-malden.nose Subject: Re: Free Bill Palmer from CIA terrorists! [was: Censurship of Info on USA holocausts From: igor@algebra.com (Igor) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 17:47:49 -0600 Just for your information, this Dr. Houston Murphy is NOT me. Even though you might be incluned to think otherwise. igor [retransmission of "Murphy" post deleted]


Newsgroups: alt.usenet.kooks,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.genius.bill-palmer,alt.politics.org.cia,alt.fan.karl-malden.nose Subject: Re: Free Bill Palmer from CIA terrorists! [was: Censurship of Info on USA holocausts From: Bill Cleere Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:43:21 -0800 Dr. Houston Murphy wrote: > [sneep] > While I deeply respect my namesake Dr. Austin Murphy (no relation) and > his well-justified fears of Right-wing repression, nevertheless, the > Usenet community's attention is even more urgently required to secure > the immediate liberty of FLAME GIANT BILL PALMER! (More information > follows the end of this statement by Dr. Austin Murphy) I deeply respect [your name here] but must go on record from the top, as it were, that I am lamentably ignorant of the true facts of the Chechen affair, knowing only that Chechens are: (1) Admirable, heroic freedom-fighters, according to John Le Carre; and (2) Thieving, treacherous bastards, according to Alexander Solzhenitsyn. Now that that's out of the way, let's proceed... [snipph] > Those inclined to scoff at Dr. Austin Murphy's fears should > consider the disappearance of Usenet political analyst FLAME GIANT > Bill Palmer (wilhelp@ix.netcom.com). Palmjob's a desaparecido? Great Scott! I thought I just saw him on alt.is.not, or something... > Three years ago, when the CIA-controlled Yeltsin government began > their slaughter of the Chechen people, Bill Palmer was the only > Netizen with the presence of mind to denounce them on newsgroup > soc.culture.russian. Some claimed to doubt whether the Yeltsin regime > had even heard of Usenet, but Bill Palmer knew better. Day by day, he > shredded their reputation, their excuses, (and their shills on > newsgroup soc.culture.russian) with devastingly accurate and topical > postings, instantly recognizable by their length of over 400 lines > apiece. 21 months later, Bill Palmer's heroic exertions finally bore > fruit; the hopelessly shamed and embarrassed Yeltsin regime withdrew > from Chechnya. Many of us have withdrawn from similarly desperate struggles for the same reason. Credit where credit is due: All Power to the Soviets of Palmers and Palmer's Deputies! > In his honorable struggle, FLAME GIANT Bill Palmer > (wilhelp@ix.netcom.com) has assembled one of the largest archives in > Dejanews. You can either check it out there, or look at a smaller > archive in > http://www.math.harvard.edu/~verbit/scs/cranks/palmer.scs ...it's a monument to the indomitability of the human spirit, and a challenge to those who would lightly style themselves net.legends. "Look upon MY works," it says to us, "and marvel!" > Unable to face Bill Palmer's inexhaustible forensic skills, > the CIA and the capitalist Yeltsin regime have apparently decided to > make him "disappear." He has not been seen in public for many months. > Occasional postings are made under his distinctive E-mail address > wilhelp@ix.netcom.com, but there are the gravest possible reasons to > doubt whether these come from the real Bill Palmer, or, if they do, > whether he is a free agent. Consider (a) Relatively few recent > wilhelp@ix.netcom.com postings have the distinctive length of over 400 > lines, (b) few of them discuss Chechnya, despite the orchestration in > recent days of increasingly dangerous CIA-Yeltsin war propaganda, (See > appendix 2), (c) One posting, under the title "Facts in the Case of > Bill Palmer," even seemed to repudiate his earlier activism on behalf > of Chechnya, and (d) some of them are simply recycled former postings, > to deceive the unwary into overlooking his new silence. We have even > seen brazen rumors that Mr. Palmer "kidnaped himself"! (See appendix > 2) > > Add your voice to the defense of Usenet freedom! The Usenet > community demands that the CIA release Bill Palmer immediately! > > --Dr. Houston Murphy > Lecturer on Dietetic Materialism, > Enver Hoxha Institute for Advanced Studies How is Dr. Hoxha, then? Enjoying his retirement, is he? [zinpp] Sigh... There were giants in those days, children. We'll not see their like again. -- Bill Cleere -- "I prefer the pleasure of writing bits of nonsense to that of wearing an embroidered coat which costs 800 francs." (Stendahl) ======== Newsgroups: alt.usenet.kooks,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.genius.bill-palmer,alt.politics.org.cia,alt.fan.karl-malden.nose Subject: Re: Free Bill Palmer from CIA terrorists! [was: Censurship of Info on USA holocausts From: marxondrugs@cloud9.edu (Dr. Houston Murphy) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:53:33 GMT Bill Cleere wrote: >Dr. Houston Murphy wrote: >> >[sneep] >> While I deeply respect my namesake Dr. Austin Murphy (no relation) and >> his well-justified fears of Right-wing repression, nevertheless, the >> Usenet community's attention is even more urgently required to secure >> the immediate liberty of FLAME GIANT BILL PALMER! (More information >> follows the end of this statement by Dr. Austin Murphy) >I deeply respect [your name here] but must go on record from the >top, as it were, that I am lamentably ignorant of the true facts >of the Chechen affair, knowing only that Chechens are: >(1) Admirable, heroic freedom-fighters, according to John > Le Carre; and >(2) Thieving, treacherous bastards, according to Alexander > Solzhenitsyn. Solzhenitsyn is a reactionary good-for-nothing. It is disgraceful that the capitalist press still insists on calling him a "writer," even though he was expelled from the Writers' Union over twenty years ago. [deleted] >> Add your voice to the defense of Usenet freedom! The Usenet >> community demands that the CIA release Bill Palmer immediately! >> >> --Dr. Houston Murphy >> Lecturer on Dietetic Materialism, >> Enver Hoxha Institute for Advanced Studies >How is Dr. Hoxha, then? Enjoying his retirement, is he? Regrettably, we no longer enjoy his earthly presence. Nevertheless, his spirit remains wherever progressive people meet. >[zinpp] >Sigh... There were giants in those days, children. We'll not >see their like again. > -- Bill Cleere >-- > "I prefer the pleasure of writing bits of nonsense to that of > wearing an embroidered coat which costs 800 francs." (Stendahl) This quote is unfortunate and out of place. I hope you did not intend to disparage the gravity of Bill Palmer's disappearance. --Dr. Houston Murphy ======== Newsgroups: alt.usenet.kooks,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.genius.bill-palmer,alt.politics.org.cia,alt.fan.karl-malden.nose Subject: Re: Free Bill Palmer from CIA terrorists! [was: Censurship of Info on USA holocausts From: Bill Cleere Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 23:11:27 -0800 Dr. Houston Murphy wrote: > > Bill Cleere wrote: > > "I prefer the pleasure of writing bits of nonsense to that of > > wearing an embroidered coat which costs 800 francs." (Stendahl) > > This quote is unfortunate and out of place. I hope you did not intend > to disparage the gravity of Bill Palmer's disappearance. > > --Dr. Houston Murphy Perish the thought, Doc--it popped out of the .sig generator of its own volition. I'm all for the safe recovery not only of BP but also of Serdar Argic and John_Winston. Dr. Hoxha too-- I suspect he's not dead, but just hiding out in the hold of some Italian tramp steamer in Tirana harbor. -- Bill Cleere ======== Newsgroups: alt.usenet.kooks,soc.culture.russian,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.genius.bill-palmer,alt.politics.org.cia,alt.fan.karl-malden.nose Subject: Re: Free Bill Palmer from CIA terrorists! [was: Censurship of Info on USA holocausts From: "Bill Christensen" Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:56:26 -0600 Dr. Houston Murphy wrote in message <69bks8$80m@news-central.tiac.net>... > Those inclined to scoff at Dr. Austin Murphy's fears should >consider the disappearance of Usenet political analyst FLAME GIANT >Bill Palmer (wilhelp@ix.netcom.com). If you are seriously looking for Bill Palmer check out alt.usenet.kooks he has something posted there almost daily. ======== Newsgroups: alt.usenet.kooks,soc.culture.russian,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.genius.bill-palmer,alt.politics.org.cia,alt.fan.karl-malden.nose Subject: Re: Free Bill Palmer from CIA terrorists! [was: Censurship of Info on USA holocausts From: marxondrugs@cloud9.edu (Dr. Houston Murphy) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:33:29 GMT "Bill Christensen" wrote: >Dr. Houston Murphy wrote in message <69bks8$80m@news-central.tiac.net>... >> Those inclined to scoff at Dr. Austin Murphy's fears should >>consider the disappearance of Usenet political analyst FLAME GIANT >>Bill Palmer (wilhelp@ix.netcom.com). >If you are seriously looking for Bill Palmer check out alt.usenet.kooks he >has something posted there almost daily. But what makes you so sure it is the same Bill Palmer, or, if so, that he is a free agent? Reread my previous post. If you compare the former FLAME GIANT with what we see now, you will notice a sharp fall-off in the effectiveness of the current version. Don't be misled by "forgeries" and "re-post cons." --Dr. Houston Murphy Lecturer in Dietetic Materialism Enver Hoxha Institute for Advanced Studies ======== Newsgroups: alt.usenet.kooks,soc.culture.russian,alt.genius.bill-palmer,alt.fan.karl-malden.nose Subject: Re: Free Bill Palmer from CIA terrorists! [was: Censurship of Info on USA holocausts From: marxondrugs@cloud9.edu (Dr. Houston Murphy) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:50:04 GMT marxondrugs@cloud9.edu (Dr. Houston Murphy) wrote: [deleted] > Add your voice to the defense of Usenet freedom! The Usenet >community demands that the CIA release Bill Palmer immediately! Bill Palmer is now free, thanks to Usenet activists like you! Once again, numerous 300+ line postings in the distinctive Bill Palmer style are appearing under E-mail address wilhelp@ix.netcom.com in newsgroup alt.genius.bill-palmer. Apparently the CIA, the Yeltsin regime, and their dirty-tricks crowd couldn't stand the heat. Hundreds of netizens worldwide refused to let Bill Palmer's name be forgotten. Many preserved the distinctive "wilhelp" UserID in the public consciousness by taking out "wilhelp" accounts from their respective ISPs. One Palmer activist even set up a domain "www.wilhelp.com," dedicated to this inimitable Usenet phenomenon. One possible sour note, however: we still have not heard Bill Palmer recently on the Chechen question. Is he still under intimidation? --Dr. Houston Murphy Lecturer on Dietetic Materialism, Enver Hoxha Institute for Advanced Studies
Newsgroups: alt.usenet.kooks,soc.culture.russian,alt.genius.bill-palmer,alt.fan.karl-malden.nose Subject: Re: Free Bill Palmer from CIA terrorists! [was: Censurship of Info on USA holocausts From: kjpodsia@cyberramp.net (Kevin Podsiadlik) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:04:04 -0600 In article <6a31pf$5r1@news-central.tiac.net>, marxondrugs@cloud9.edu wrote: >Bill Palmer is now free, thanks to Usenet activists like you! What, you thought anyone would *pay* for him? -- Kevin Podsiadlik (or just "KJP") (not Russian, but close) Where do you want Microsoft to go today? ======== Newsgroups: alt.usenet.kooks,soc.culture.russian,alt.genius.bill-palmer,alt.fan.karl-malden.nose Subject: Re: Free Bill Palmer from CIA terrorists! [was: Censurship of Info on USA holocausts From: marxondrugs@cloud9.edu (Dr. Houston Murphy) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 07:43:52 GMT kjpodsia@cyberramp.net (Kevin Podsiadlik) wrote: >In article <6a31pf$5r1@news-central.tiac.net>, marxondrugs@cloud9.edu wrote: >>Bill Palmer is now free, thanks to Usenet activists like you! >What, you thought anyone would *pay* for him? This is the typical kind of repost con that Bill Palmer tries to warn people against. KP snips out my entire message but one line, totally distorting the context, and then thinks he is a clever flamer by adding one snide remark. The regular subscribers to alt.genius.bill-palmer are fed up with net.hooligans like you, [add scatological variation on KP's name here]! GET LOST!!!! --Dr. Houston Murphy Lecturer on Dietetic Materialism Enver Hoxha Institute for Advanced Studies ======== Newsgroups: alt.usenet.kooks,soc.culture.russian,alt.genius.bill-palmer,alt.fan.karl-malden.nose Subject: Re: Free Bill Palmer from CIA terrorists! [was: Censurship of Info on USA holocausts From: lousemonkey1@wilhelp.com (Goin' Nova) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:37:00 -0800 In article <6a969m$c3h@news-central.tiac.net>, marxondrugs@cloud9.edu wrote: > kjpodsia@cyberramp.net (Kevin Podsiadlik) wrote: > > >In article <6a31pf$5r1@news-central.tiac.net>, marxondrugs@cloud9.edu wrote: > > >>Bill Palmer is now free, thanks to Usenet activists like you! > > >What, you thought anyone would *pay* for him? > > This is the typical kind of repost con that Bill Palmer tries to warn > people against. KP snips out my entire message but one line, totally > distorting the context, and then thinks he is a clever flamer by > adding one snide remark. The regular subscribers to > alt.genius.bill-palmer are fed up with net.hooligans like you, [add > scatological variation on KP's name here]! GET LOST!!!! > Including, Biil Palmer. -- Bill has this pile of a lot of crap, some of it neat crap--but it would be nice if he would do something more with it, rather than park it off on the side of Usenet. Unprocessed crap smells, and no-one wants to have to sort through it. _Stan Kalisch III

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